Chaos & Creativity

If you’ve ever sat at a bar mesmerized by the slow train wreck of two mildly self-aggrandized people yucking it up with each other—you have the genesis of this podcast. Kimi and I didn’t notice a tiny group of bar patrons had gathered to watch us converse. We never imagined we were that interesting.

Actually, that’s untrue. Or, more accurately, false modesty.

When we met for a cocktail that winter night in 2017 at a Northern California bar, Kimi and I had been professionals in the musical and visual arts respectively for decades. We’ve grown up in the warm comforting glow of the spotlight.

This particular evening, we were drinking and, truth told, performing for each other. It wasn’t a planned show, it was a collaborative expression of our good moods that managed to draw attention.

It is a razor thin border between obnoxious and entertaining in situations like this. Somehow we managed to land on the right side and someone suggested we start a podcast. So we did. This is it. It’s called Chaos & Creativity: A podcast of conversations with the outliers and outlaws of the creative industries. We’re your hosts: Musician Kimi Recor and writer/director Lou Lesko.